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« on: March 28, 2010, 08:17:38 pm »

LOVE it.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100319/FREE/100319833

As I watched Daytona this year at the National Automobile Dealers Association convention with a group of folks who weren't necessarily NASCAR fans, I noticed something. People who try to get into the sport can't. They have no idea what is going on. Why? You can't tell the cars apart. Henry Ford said racing started when the second car was built. It was a simple notion and one that played a part in the birth of NASCAR. Drivers bought cars and raced them--stock.

The manufacturers started supporting motorsports when they realized what a winning car could do for sales. Win on Sunday, sell on Monday. That was the idea, and I don't think anything has changed in 50 years. Granted, the return-on-investment metrics are a little more sophisticated, but the reasoning is the same.

As the sport grew, a lot of that mentality was lost. Now, it seems people cheer for the driver, then the sponsor, then maybe the manufacturer. It might have something to do with the fact that all the cars look identical. It's sticker racing. The only things different about the cars making the left turns are the drivers and the company logos on the hoods. NASCAR's Car of Tomorrow really wiped out any differentiation.

I understand what NASCAR was trying to do with the Car of Tomorrow. It was supposed to regulate the series (a more even playing field) and be less expensive for teams. That didn't happen.

The concept behind the series is now broken. Manufacturers are spending huge dollar amounts supporting racing when the cars don't resemble anything you can buy in dealer showrooms. Not to mention that the NASCAR powertrain is outdated. Chevrolet wins on Sunday, and the consumer goes to the dealership and asks for a Malibu. You know, the one with the carburetor.

Toyota runs an engine it has never built for production cars. Explain to me the ROI on that. OK, I'll admit there is a huge audience. And Toyota probably needed to be in NASCAR to get some sales movement in the Southern states, especially when it launched its truck. But that was before the economy collapsed and you could afford to do things because you wanted to do them.

I spoke with executives from several automakers who are now scrutinizing their racing involvement. Change must happen. The costs are out of control.

It's not too late to race on Sunday and sell on Monday. It's happening now with cars that compete in the ALMS, whose road-racing series helps move plenty of Audis, Porsches and Jaguars, and better still, it gives them the appeal of performance on track and in the showroom. If NASCAR's Jim France really wanted to steal thunder from the main event, he'd promote that Chevrolet's Camaro is going nose-to-nose with Ford's Mustang. All we would need is a Dodge Challenger thrown into the fray.

I saw the Grand-Am Camaro at that NADA convention. Now, that's a car I want to buy.

Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100319/FREE/100319833#ixzz0jWYXMVBp
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2010, 09:21:05 am »

When I was still working in Grand Am, for Banner Racing, we won the GT race on Saturday, with the Pontiac GXP.R.  On Tuesday Brian and I went car shopping and bought a Pontiac G5.
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2010, 01:40:48 pm »

Make Nascar more like Trans Am and I might get excited about it. Fuck the COT, your favorite sponsor or driver and just race.

Somehow,Anna I don't think they were trying to sell you a car, but thank for taking one for the team!
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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2010, 11:58:33 pm »

Two words....

Nascar Sucks!

There are sooooo many other forms of racing without all the crappy RULES!!!
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2010, 09:49:57 am »

This is true my friend and ya also know who's going to win before the race starts, Nascar is by far the most competitive form of racing today... PERIOD....... Sorry I just don't have a problem with that and yes the rules do seem cumbersome at times but if you want to see actual racing at the end of 500 miles ya just cant beat it......... I love just about all forms of auto sport from monster trucks to NHRA  but to try and compare them really isn't fair as its all good!........... Now wheres my Mark Martin hat
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2010, 10:16:43 am »

Sorry Goose but I have to disagree. After 500 miles the "race" is usually under caution and a yellow, white, checker finish. BULLSHIT!. A race is when after 12 hrs cars are bumpin door handles at the finish line. THAT's a race! How many laps are under caution in Nascar 60%.? More.? They need it cause if they aren't crashing it's B O R I N G..........zzzzzz. Oh they crashed!    I'm up!      Whatever. They actually had to add the "RULE" to not finish under caution because it was happening so often and the fans got angry.
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2010, 10:46:58 am »

Sorry Goose but I have to disagree. After 500 miles the "race" is usually under caution and a yellow, white, checker finish. BULLSHIT!. A race is when after 12 hrs cars are bumpin door handles at the finish line. THAT's a race! How many laps are under caution in Nascar 60%.? More.? They need it cause if they aren't crashing it's B O R I N G..........zzzzzz. Oh they crashed!    I'm up!      Whatever. They actually had to add the "RULE" to not finish under caution because it was happening so often and the fans got angry.
And this door handle bumping after 12 hours happens when? In your dreams? 60% caution laps WTF have you been watching? Yes they made a rule so the race finished under green and yes they crash a lot at the very end, its called having a shit load of cars in contention to win but I know your not use to that concept and I guess its more fun in the last hour of a 24 hour race to come in for a wash job so you can get your fucking  picture taken..... Ya wanna talk about bullshit well there it is, that's not remotely close to being a competitive race .......PERIOD........ But like I said before I like all forms of racing some just because of the cars, some because of the technology that goes into the cars and some because of the very competitive nature of the series. So there!
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2010, 11:03:11 am »

Here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbl_Yjm7VBk

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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2010, 11:29:59 am »

You're not catching my drift here............ That's a 3 year old race and the same thing happened in the last race at laguna last season so thats 2 awesome finishes......... In 3 fucking years.......... This happens 30 races a year in the much hated  nascar series....... Just sayin!
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2010, 08:14:56 pm »

Racing is like sex.....it's all good.....some is just better than others.
Just my $0.02 (& probably worth half that)
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2010, 09:41:10 pm »

 OK YOU TWO, DON'T MAKE ME PULL THIS CAR OVER AND GET OUT THE SWITCH!!! tickedoff Where did your parents and I go wrong. Look, I have to agree with both of you, I think it boils down to a matter of taste. I used to love NASCAR when I was younger way before ALMS. I'll never forget watching that first telivised race when Yarborough and Allison were duking it out on the infield on national TV, I was hooked. But being a poor black child from the northeast we could only afford rabbit ears, so our race viewing was limited.
 After I went to LeMans and watched my first 24 hour race in person I said "this is it, Road racing is what I truly enjoy watching". I still watch NASCAR now and then to cheer on my favorite driver who just happens to be Mark Martin ( BTW I still want to have his baby). But pretty much just watch Watkins Glen, Sanoma Daytona and Pocono as far as NASCAR goes.
 I love the Austrailian V8 Super car Series. Now that is a manly sport. I think it is the only race series where it is maditory to have a cup holder in your race car that will hold a can of Fosters (now thats racing). If you have never seen it you should check it out, I highly recomend it. I still love watching Formula 1 but my all time favorite to date is the ALMS. To me there is nothing like watching four classes of cars battle it out on the some of the worlds most famous race circuts. Enough said, thank you for listening. I'll get off my soap box now.
 
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2010, 10:21:19 am »


  ..I used to love NASCAR when I was younger ...
 

Me too!  And I used to love professional wrestling--when I was 10 years old.
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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2010, 10:30:39 pm »

 smitten Thanks, That's my point exactly!  Clap Clap
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2010, 10:13:44 am »


  ..I used to love NASCAR when I was younger ...
 

Me too!  And I used to love professional wrestling--when I was 10 years old.

Professional wrestling was the best with Gorden Soli when I was a kid !  coolsmiley Clap
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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2010, 10:25:10 am »

smitten Thanks, That's my point exactly!  Clap Clap

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